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Divine Intervention?

I don’t usually pay much attention to the various reports of plane crashes and other tragic accidents and incidents that often dominate cable news.  So I usually just change the channel when CNN goes to another update about the rich guy’s private plane that crashed in the Montana cemetery.  Things are tough all over, I figure, and just as bad for the folks CNN pays no attention to. 

But I check the blogs listed at right almost every day, either for edification or comic relief, and this morning Scott Lemieux at Lawyers, Guns and Money pointed me to Jill at Feministe, who introduced me to Jill Stanek and Gingi Edmonds.

Scott and Jill both focus on the apparent contradiction in the beliefs of many people who oppose abortion: they fight tooth-and-nail for the rights of the fetus, but can’t typically be bothered to worry themselves over children after they enter the world.  So they oppose reproductive choice on the grounds that it harms a human being–effectively taking control of the woman’s body and confiscating the baby–but oppose policies that save innocent children from all manner of abusive or dangerous situations once they are born.

This is important, but what struck me in Edmonds’ essay was the implication that God himself brought the plane down to punish an alleged abortion provider:

“We warned him, for his children’s sake, to wash his hands of the innocent blood he assisted in spilling because, as Scripture warns, if “you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you”. (Ezekiel 35:6)”

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“I only hope and pray that in the face of this tragedy, Feldkamp recognizes his need for repentance and reformation.”

 This woman apparently thinks that God punishes people who kill children by…killing children.  Many of her commenters apparently agree.

 

Is it just me, or is there something seriously twisted about someone who would include this concept in a supposed philosophy of peace and love?  To me this shows the contradictory nature of the Christian message and the sick beliefs of many believers: how do they reconcile the message of love and tolerance delivered by Jesus with the notion that God would punish sinners by taking innocent life?  This version of Christian philosophy apparently considers human beings the tools of the divinity, not His children who He watches over and loves.  That is, instead of bringing Feldkamp’s grandchildren to Heaven to punish Grandpa, why not send Grandpa to Hell, if it exists, a bit early?  Is grief for lost loved ones more painful than eternal torment?

 

Just asking.

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I Love the Internet #1

I was reading this Roy Edroso post at the Village Voice about Jake DeSantis, the AIG Financial Products wiz who suddenly had an urge to cry publicly about his persecution by elected officials.  I don’t know enough about this guy’s tenure there to say anything about his grounds for doing so, but it seems to me that he either deserves the approbation of his fellow Americans or he has neither the stomach for making his case or the patriotism to stay around and help fix the problem in his Country’s time of need.

At any rate, Roy linked to a few sympathetic wingnut bloggers and their cries of injustice and “going Galt.”  That last, a self-described “Right-Wing Web Aggregator” that at least has the virtue of a cool name, also has a link to Strange Maps.

This is one of those blogs I never would have found without help, and I should thank the never melted guy for leading me there.  Only on the web–or an old library–could I have stumbled across thing like this and this.

I love the internet.

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Jason Corley Misses the Points

I don’t know very much about Jason Corley, so I will resist the urge to evaluate whether he really understands the meaning of the terms “relativist” and “nihilist” when he uses them to describe my approach to marriage and abortion.  If by relativist he means that I dispute the idea that some truths are absolute, then I confess to the charge.  Indeed, I embrace the characterization, and do not find it insulting.  I am, however, no nihilist: I believe that values exist, that human society requires norms, rules, and laws, and that existence has meaning.  I just don’t believe that God defines them.

At any rate, I think he misses both of the points I tried to make.  With respect to marriage, he argues that because that institution regulates so much of our social interaction–by stabilizing relationships within family units–any challenge to it threatens traditional American society.  In making his case, Mr. Corley asserts that marriage has not evolved–that it remains the same institution across time.  I simply pointed out the demonstrable falsehood of this claim.  Since marriage has changed, defending what we call marriage today has nothing to do with protecting traditional values.  It is important to note here that Mr. Corley does not attempt to actually defend his assertion; instead he suggests that variation in marriage across societies makes no difference.  This is, of course, difficult to reconcile with this statement: “Marriage is not a evolving paradigm. It is the source of the historical role of the family as the basic unit of every civilized society.”  If marriage does indeed vary over time, and across societies, and yet still forms the foundation of “traditional society” it is not clear how simply adding a new variation (gay marriage) threatens the institution.  Mr. Corley could make this case by describing the mechanism of destruction that gay marriage would introduce to the institution, but he does not.  This suggests that he in fact prefers a particular ordering of society that requires a particular form of marriage and family.  Such an argument would not be wrong in its face, nor would it be trivial.  So I wonder why he does not make it.

Mr. Corley also seems to miss my point with regard to abortion.  I find the abortion question a simple one: when does life begin?  The State has no reason to interfere with a woman’s choice to terminate gestation unless the fetus has achieved personhood.  If this happens at conception, then abortion of any kind is murder, and murderers should be punished.  This is true without regard to the circumstances of conception.  Further, since both the mother and the doctor are complicit in this hypothetical crime, the state should sanction both equally.

Few abortion opponenents support this view, however.  Most would exempt the mother from punishment, and instead sanction the doctors performing the procedure.  Most also exempt mothers who became pregnant through rape.  This suggests that they don’t really believe that a fetus is a person–innocent, and deserving of state protection.

This is no circular argument: a fetus is either a person or it isn’t.  It makes no sense to argue that it is without supporting criminal sanctions for mothers who have them killed.  If you don’t support such sanctions, then you have created a different category of person, not quite deserving of full state protection from all agents that might do it harm.

Jason Corley has his own ideas about social order, traditional society, and how humans should interact.  This is, of course, how it should be.  I object only to his effort to use the State to force his world view on others, by priveleging heterosexuals over gays with regard to marriage (and therefore tax, inheritance, family structure), and by placing women in the sexual and reproductive roles he prefers.  He should make his case that this would improve society, but he will get more traction if he coherently addresses the actual arguments made by the other side.

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Cognitive Dissonance

Via PZ Myers, check out this video from Daniel Florien at Unreasonable Faith.

The simple questions: If you favor abortion bans, how should the State punish women who violate these bans?  And if you do not favor punishment for women who break abortion prohibitions, why prohibit them in the first place?

Mr. Florien bluntly points out that someone who believes that abortion is murder cannot at the same time believe that women who have abortions are not murderers.  If you do not believe that women who decide to kill their unborn children do not deserve long prison sentences or even dates with the hangman, you do not really believe that abortion is murder.

A commenter disagrees, arguing that anti-choice protesters worry that a “pronouncement of judgment” would show their lack of compassion.  But should we not judge murderers?

Simply put, if a fetus is a human being, then the mothers who kill them should face the death penalty themselves, just as she might if her child was a year old.

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