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Pistols to Carbines

This report about a conversion device that makes a carbine out of a handgun got me to wondering: why?

One of the sales leads for the company which manufactures this thing argues that

“Special operators can carry everything in their rucksack. They don’t have to carry a close quarters/room clearing type of device. Instead they can pull this out of their rucksack, put their pistol in it, and they have a mid-range carbine.”

But it’s not clear to me why carrying the conversion kit makes things easier on a special operations soldier than simply carrying a carbine.  It would not have to be dug out of a rucksack, assembled, and then torn back down at the end of what would might often be a relatively short duration operation: clearing a room or building.  It seems to me that preparing such a conversion might sometimes take longer than the operation itself–or that the soldier might need the carbine quickly, but require precious minutes to put it together.  Perhaps these guys need carbines rather than or in addition to handguns.

This thing cannot be much lighter than the M-16 variants now issued to M1A2 and Stryker crews, among others.  Perhaps someone wants to avoid having to carry more and different types of ammunition, but in that case why not simply develop a carbine which takes 9mm or .45 caliber ammo?  Or a pistol which fires a 7.62?  Make a common round–the Soviets did.

Besides the “cool factor,” I’m not sure how this makes things easier on a soldier.  Click the link and look at the photo–all those parts look harder to clean than a rifle, too.  I say let’s not buy stuff just to buy stuff, but perhaps one of my new gun expert friends can explain it to me.

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Force, Persuasion, and Civilization

In response to my expressed concern that placing “placing the safety and freedom of society in the hands of individuals harms us normatively by making collective action more difficult,” my new friend Bob referred me to “Why the Gun is Civilization” by Marko Kloos.  While somewhat interesting, I think Mr. Kloos greatly oversimplifies both the effect of introducing firearms into human interaction, and the nature of human interaction itself. Read the rest of this entry »

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One Percent Doctrine

Bob S., over at 3BoxesofBS, offers a good illustration of the “one percent doctrine” applied to the carrying by private citizens of personal firearms in public places.  In his book, Suskind argued that the Bush Administration treated threats with even a one percent likelihood as certainties.  Similarly, Bob argues here that his anecdote about a robber beating a woman and stealing her ring shows that he must carry everywhere he goes–because it happened in a nice neighborhood.

This destroys control advocates’ memes, he says, because it shows that one might need a firearm even if they avoid “bad” places.  No one is ever a hundred percent safe–anywhere–so people should arm themselves.

Technically, I suppose, Bob is right: no one is every one hundred percent completely safe, wherever they go and whatever they do (just ask these guys up in Lorton).  But the “gun control memes” “If you live in a good neighborhood, you aren’t likely to need a firearm” and “If you don’t go to bad places, you won’t likely need a firearm” are demonstrably true. Saying they’re not is a bit like saying that everyone must always be prepared to win the lottery–since someone won it just last week.

I’ve spent time in very dangerous places, where we had to keep pretty much constant vigilance when out and about.  I wonder about the mind set of someone who does this all the time, even in his own neighborhood.

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If Deterrence is a Goal…

…then why not make concealed carry permit applications public?

Delegate Lee Ware, a Republican from Virginia’s 65th District (Powhatan and Chesterfield Counties), has proposed legislation that would amend Paragraph 18.2-308 of the Virginia Code to require that clerks taking concealed carry permit applications withhold information about applicants from public disclosure.

One of the interesting things about gun owners and Second Amendment supporters is their apparent reluctance to let their fellow citizens know that they own weapons and carry them on their person in public.  Given that a key argument supporting widespread gun ownership and public carrying of concealed firearms relies on the assertion that this would have some measurable deterrent effect on criminals, it would seem that owners would want others to know that they at least might be carrying.

I haven’t heard Delegate Ware’s argument in support of the bill–it presumably provides some protection against government confiscation, for example–but I can think of at least one argument against it: that fellow citizens, especially neighbors, should have access to some knowledge about which people around them own and carry firearms.

I would like to know, for example, which of my neighbors own weapons, and which of my coworkers have a pistol in a shoulder holster.  Whether or not the gentleman next to me in the pew, working in my kid’s school, or the guy eating wings next to me at the sports bar is armed would be nice to know in the event something takes place that makes the carrier want to use it.  I especially want to know if wings guy is packing when he orders a beer.  This is true whether or not I am armed.

An example which hits close to home, the Virginia Tech shootings back in April 2007, illustrates this well: those who argue that armed students could have limited the tragedy of that day should understand fellow students’ desire to know who else besides the shooter might be armed.  The justice claim of people who wish to arm themselves as they interact with others in public places conflicts with the that of fellow citizens to know which of the people around them might be armed.

Which should precede is another matter.  I am sympathetic with the argument that owners need some protection from government confiscation (though I think that shared understandings about the right, not secrecy, provide protection from this).  But given the relatively low chance of a general federal effort to seize privately owned firearms, I wonder if the people around armed citizens should get more sympathy for their claim: that people who walk around with firearms should have to warn others that a weapon is near.

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More Second Amendment Blogging

Though fairly well-read in constitutional law, history, and political science, I am no expert on the gun rights v. gun control debate.  But since I do have a policy preference with respect to guns, and I intend to involve myself in discussions with people on both sides of this discussion as a way to promote my preferred policy, perhaps I should lay out my thinking on the subject. Read the rest of this entry »

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Norms, Framing, and Protecting Gun “Rights”

Last week, I posted an essay making a case that rights do not arise from nature, but depend on socially constructed understandings developed through human interaction and discourse.  Briefly stated, I argued that social concepts like rights do not distinguish various natural kinds from one another, and cannot be studied without regard to social relations among humans, among other points.  Since they depend on social relations for definition, rights must be a social construct.  To support this view, I pointed out that our concept of rights do not remain static, and vary across societies.  In this post I’d like to discuss how this applies to gun rights.

The social construction of rights depends on prevailing understandings about appropriate behavior in human interaction, as well as shared understandings about right and wrong, the value of human life, social ordering of political and economic behavior, competing concepts of justice, and an almost infinite variety of other components of social relations.  All of these things combine to make up prevailing norms and inter-subjective understandings that make up social reality, and if these understandings include a specific “right,” challenges to such a right would by definition come from marginal actors, and probably have little effect.  For example, few challenge rights to speech or religion in the US today, but most shrug off claims of a right to food or health care as illegitimate.

All of this matters to gun rights advocates because given that prevailing norms change, and they rightly worry that a shift in normative paradigms about the social order (e.g, about the appropriateness of violence in society, or killing to protect property) could threaten the existence of a “right to keep and bear arms” as a shared understanding.  The claim that society abridges a rights claim–that is, creates an injustice–by disarming those who wish to own and carry weapons has little meaning in a social framework where the right is not broadly recognized.  Some citizens might nevertheless claim such a right, and use violence to oppose its infringement, but since this in turn infringes on the strongly held beliefs of prevailing society, it would organize against the rights claim and quash the effort, as it would a person or group that went around kidnapping people today, claiming a right to own slaves.  This is true even if I am wrong, and rights are natural kinds.

Therefore, the justice of rights claims matters only to the extent that it empowers a minority to resist a majority without violence.  It has no bearing on the ability or power to resist disarmament, and actually only protects the “right” if society shares the moral principle.  This is one of the senses in which I claim that rights don’t exist unless humans manufacture them, and it means that puffing out the chest and rhetorically defending a right to gun ownership helps only to the extent that it perpetuates the social norms that support such a right.

Advocates, that is, might claim a moral principle, but this only has value as a rhetorical device in support of perpetuating the norm–discourse privileging some moral claims as “rights” over others helps to constitute the normative structure in a way that elicits support from large segments of society, even some who disagree with the behavior.  Firearm (speech, religion) rights survive, not because nature endows them, but because infringing them is something you just don’t do.  Others (e.g., right to food, shelter) have less normative power as justice claims because fewer people share the understanding of them as “rights,” whether or not they accrue naturally to humans.

This suggests that gun rights advocates who wish to preserve this norm should concentrate on rights discourse, and limit discussion intended to make fellow citizens afraid, such as quoting crime statistics, listing home invasion incidents, and carrying on the pretense that an armed citizenry can preserve liberty with a constant threat of rebellion.  Over time, changes in society which made these reasons obsolete could make firearms less useful, ownership less widespread (firearm ownership already trends down), and this argument less valuable.  And as technology advances and makes representative government much more inclusive (if only by growing a more educated population), the perceived need for the ability to rebel against it could wane.

Advocates of protecting Second Amendment rights won’t protect these rights with guns.  Discourse might work if used to frame gun ownership as a moral and civic good.  Focus on crime only increases incentives to solve the problem, and threatening rebellion only marginalizes advocates.  Thinking of gun rights in terms of social relations rather than as a natural individual right is the best hope of preserving gun rights for posterity.

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Blogging the Second Amendment, Southern Female Lawyer Update

Last week I posted about a little spat between a Tennessee blogger and a few gun rights supporters, who responded in comments on her blog and annoyed her husband enough that he threatened to punch someone in the face.  Things heated to the point where SFL became concerned so she removed the post and comments which ignited the discussion.

Now she has posted a long apology (which some find “hollow”) as well as a post clarifying her position on training for prospective concealed carry permit holders.   None of this is any of my business, really, but I nevertheless have two thoughts on this little episode.

First, though threats to punch people in the face may cross some line of civility, I don’t think I would have apologized.  Bob S. and others came over to her house and attacked someone they had never met with rudeness and insinuations about her character and beliefs.  Instead of asking for clarification or constructing a reasoned argument, they attacked her by “fisking” her post, taking her points out of context.  As noted above, linking to the original discussion is no longer possible, but my own impression of the pro-gun reaction was they had stormed into her blog demanding the answers to nitpicky questions rather than calling on her to defend her position in a civil way.  Southern Female Lawyer apparently had the same feeling, and I frankly don’t blame SFL or Rob for responding the way they did.  The curious can see some of the dialogue here.

Also, if frank and open discussion is the goal, I think SFL should make available the entire discussion that led to the behavior she and her husband regrets.  Much of the discussion remains (e.g., here, here, and here [Update: Stupid mistake on my part–the post linked here is unrelated to the original SFL post), but it lacks context.  Posterity gets to see the response from one side of this discussion as well as the apology, but has no chance to evaluate the entirety of what happened.  This is no big thing, to be sure, since posterity in this case will mostly never know or care.  And SFL of course can decide what she places and leaves on the giant servers she rents from whoever hosts her blog.  But the internet and blogging depend on interlinking, and bloggers should avoid breaking links by taking down blog posts, particularly those which heat debate.

Finally, I have thoughts of my own on firearms training, concealed carry, gun ownership, and rights more generally.  I think that firearms should be licensed and regulated, and the state should require owners to carry insurance policies against accident and misuse (which would presumably cost less for trained owners, creating an market for effective training programs).  I would criminalize the carrying of loaded weapons in public places, whether or not concealed.  And I think the Supreme Court decided DC v. Heller incorrectly: the Constitution does not protect an individual right to own firearms outside the context of a regulated militia.

These are policy questions about the regulation of a piece of equipment, and have little to do with natural or any other kind of “rights.”  I plan to post my thoughts on these issues in more detail over the next few days.

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Blogging the Second Amendment

A few months ago, I stumbled upon a blog called Southern Female Lawyer, written by an East Tennessee attorney who claims to be very liberal, and promises to “judge you when you use poor grammar.”  My kind of woman.

Not long ago, SFL posted an entry [UPDATE: The original post no longer exists] about a man who carried a gun into a grocery store without the proper permits, and apparently without the proper training.  The weapon fell out of his pocket, discharged, and the round struck an employee in the hip.  Southern Female Lawyer thinks this is a bad thing, and told us so.  This, of course, sparked a somewhat heated discussion with a Second Amendment advocate in Texas who calls himself Bob S. and runs a pro-gun blog called 3 Boxes of BS. Hilarity ensued. Read the rest of this entry »

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More Guns, More Crime

We don’t seem to be getting the usual claims from the gun nuts that if only Americans armed themselves, nutjobs like George Sodino would be too afraid to walk into a gym and empty his magazine into a bunch of innocent people.

Maybe this is because this case helps point out one of the holes in their argument: shooters will simply find places where people are not likely to have their weapon handy, even if they have permits to do so.  It’s hard enough to lug a bottle of water around during a workout routine, much less a loaded pistol.

It is of course also not clear how and whether arming citizens will deter suicidal maniacs in the first place.  Guys like Sodino go from “suicide by cop” to “suicide by bodybuilder.”  What a big win for society.

Every year during the General Assembly session a local gun group calls attention to its anti-gun control agenda by bringing in some folks who walk around with pistols strapped on their hips like Marshal Dillon.  One wonders whether our legislators would give new thought to regulating guns if the pistol packers had darker skin, dreadlocks, sagging jeans, and a bunch of bling around their necks.

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Jumping to Conclusions

You know that a guy who calls himself the Confederate Yankee has to be a little out there, and you would be right.  Besides the part where he celebrates the treasonous Southern states and their rebellion against the Union while worrying himself over others’ patriotism, he likes to jump to conclusions before he knows all the facts.

Last Monday he did it again, getting all in a high dudgeon over an apparent Department of Defense decision to mutilate spent brass before reselling it.  Turns out that some ammunition makers purchase this stuff by the ton and reload it, which keeps their costs and the price of ammo down.

Mr. Owens worries a lot about the gummint comin’ to get his guns.  This time, however, he did a Chicken Little over ammo, immediately finding an Obama conspiracy to jack the price of ammunition up so high that the revenooers could let him keep his guns–he still wouldn’t be able to shoot down the black helicopters.  He was not alone, and this is one paranoid crowd.

A bit of investigation shows that the original directive applied only to brass sold outside of CONUS, and DoD backed off quickly at any rate.  The most interesting thing about the reaction the gun freaks have to this kind of thing is that they immediately think of conspiracy–none of these guys apparently stopped to think the the US Department of Defense is quite a large organization, and prone to do some pretty stupid shit, often without even thinking about it.  For these guys, this is a direct effort by the liberal President to destroy their ability to keep him from imposing a communist tyranny.  Why Obama would do this and then just change his mind hours later is not clear–he obviously has the power to make this stick.

The best part about these guys and their world view is that they fret constantly–and feverishly, when Democrats have power–about the government imposing tyranny by confiscating their guns, but can’t be bothered to worry about warrantless searches for drugs, wiretapping of virtually every phone call or email that passes through the US, or the CIA simply kidnapping people, putting them on airplanes, and flying them off to a black site in Poland to be tortured.

So far no update to reflect the change of plans by DoD.  This is the kind of thing that gets him on the Whack Job list.

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