I am not a big Larry the Cable Guy fan, but I like the bit he does where he asks the audience whether or not any of them have ever called a 900 number, or sex chat line. When he gets no response, he says something like, “Right. It’s a ten billion dollar industry, and I’m the only pervert.”
The humor in this line depends on two things about porn: that we stereotype users as perverts, and for that and other reasons few people will admit to using it in public. This post, at The Thinking Housewife, brought this to mind.
The Housewife, who writes under the name Laura Wood, challenges Steve Moxon’s claim, in The Woman Racket, that pornography may serve a valuable social purpose: satisfying the “insatiable” male desire for novelty sex partners. I have not read this book, and can therefore not evaluate the larger argument he makes therein: that because people evaluate each other based on mate value, low-status men, not women, are the victims of historical prejudice. But I’m not sure that men have an innate and insatiable desire for novelty sex partners. It is in fact pretty clear that not all men do.
That aside, Wood challenges Moxon by arguing that male sexuality should be “controlled and sublimated,” which means that pornography is bad whether or not it leads to adultery, sex crimes, and unhealthy relationships, precisely because of the effect Moxon claims:
“There is a reason for the ninth commandment. Desire for what we cannot, and should not, have is not harmless. If Moxon is correct and pornography actually replaces more harmful activities than we should have seen a noticeable drop in adultery and sexual crime in recent years given the wide availability of pornography on the Internet. There is no evidence of this decline. Pornography does not make a man a potential sex criminal. The sex drive in men is powerful, but male sexuality can be controlled and sublimated. Masturbation has not been deemed illicit in the past simply because people believed it caused blindness.” (Emphases mine.)
Wood is saying that male sexual desire leads to wanting something men should not have, and this in itself is a bad thing. Males should therefore work to keep their sexuality “sublimated” because simply thinking about sex is antisocial.
Commenter John E. says:
“It seems that Moxon is being influenced to justify pornography use based on its pervasiveness, rather than a universal concept of good and evil. If so many people are using it, it must not be all that bad; in fact, it’s probably good somehow – let me demonstrate… Based on his argument, he does not seem to be able to imagine a society that is not overwhelmed with pornographic images, and despairs of any meaningful resistance. Rather than acknowledging his despair of being able to resist evil, he instead justifies the evil, at least in part, as something good.” (Emphasis in the original.)
Pornography is objectively evil, you see, and therefore bad, whether or not it may actually help some people.
Anyone who has read much of this blog probably knows that I do not believe in objective good and evil. We have certainly constructed normative frameworks which define what we as a society consider morally “right” and “wrong.” But variations in the definitions over time and across cultures suggest that these constructed ideas have no natural (or for that matter supernatural) basis. Even mass murder is evil only because we think of it that way, not because of any objective quality independent of our notions of human value and the justice claims arising from them. And the fact that we are not born knowing the difference–we have to be socialized not to hurt others or to steal–suggests social, not natural, structure. Depending on religion for definitions of evil strikes me as especially problematic, given that religious stories of all kinds include mass destruction and murder at the hands of the Almighty. This suggests that context matters.
Not to make Wood responsible for her commenters’ views, but one named Stephen clearly makes this a religious question by associating sex with transcendence, and therefore God:
“Because sex is about transcendence, it is necessarily about openness: to the other person involved, to the potential for a new life, but also to the gift of love that comes from God. And love must be personal and focused on another, or else it is nothing but self-indulgence. Pornography, by separating the pleasure of sex from any relationship with a real person, turns what should be an open act into a self-centered act utterly devoid of openness to transcendence. Pornography perverts what has the potential of being a transcendent experience into a mockery of the divine. “
This at least gives a reason for thinking about pornography as evil: it mocks God by limiting the transcendent nature of sexual activity, whatever that means. Since mockery requires intent, and I don’t imagine many men who use porn do so in an effort to make fun of a deity, this makes for a weak argument. I would also point out that humans have had sex and reproduced long before the current notions of God existed, meaning they did so without opening themselves to God’s love. But Stephen reveals his real meaning when he characterizes sex without another person as self-indulgent, and reveals the real reason for his distaste: someone is having fun in a way that does not involve God or other people. Making yourself happy for its own sake is bad.
I would challenge both Moxon and Wood on these grounds: pornography in neither good nor evil in any objective sense. While it probably helps some men (and women) by enhancing their sex lives in some way, it also hurts a lot of people, including the children discussed in the post and comments. We should therefor regulate it, as we do many other things, in ways that maximize healthy use of these materials (e. g., prohibitions on using children to make them). This is not about good or evil–or even about whether particular individuals can include porn in a healthy sex life–but about how to fit pornography into our socially constructed normative frameworks about sex, religion, self-indulgence, and pleasure. Some people think that sex is about touching God and fulfilling his purpose; others think of it as a pleasurable activity for people who find each other attractive and want to take ownership of their bodies and their happiness. The latter group may be able to use pornography to enhance this experience. That others find this distasteful means that it does not fit their normative preference–but does not make it evil.
#1 by Elizabeth at July 24th, 2010
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” I would also point out that humans have had sex and reproduced long before the current notions of God existed, meaning they did so without opening themselves to God’s love. ”
What the ThinkingHousewife is arguing is not whether humans acknowledge the existence of God and offer sex the way God should ( some do ) but that God has planted this notion deep within the human conscious long before the fall of the Garden of Eden
This notion existed when humans were created and even after sin came into existence this notion has never and I repeat never been repelled
It has simply adapted to these surroundings such as those you mention today
The fact that you think that ” others find it distasteful ” ( particularly ) is a flaw
I myself once liked pornography ( and then became addicted to it )
And that is while being a Christian
It has instead to do how humans were programmed to have sexual relations
Basically in Genesis 2:25 ” And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed ”
I then came to the conclusion that humans were to not be ashamed of sex ( but it has to be within the convenant God created called marriage and a few restrictions )
Humans were never designed to hate sex but the problem is that we live in a sinful world
Human nature has been corrupted and is corrupt
You don’t understand this and then say ” Oh those Christians HATE sex and well are ‘slaves’ to God or notions of God ”
It’s not to say that pornography will be good when the world ends
I myself cannot explain it
Perhaps this website will do a better job than I will ever do — http://www.internetmonk.com/
I can say without a doubt that sex ( by itself ) is not the evil
It’s how you treat it and the fact that the world has been corrupted with sin
I myself love looking at pictures of couples kissing , hugging or even reproductive pictures but right now I hate pornography
It’s because I consider pornography a huge deviation from the way sex should be
* Sighs *
I mean look at my blog
I even have a section of attractive people
The ThinkingHousewife does not hate sex
You just don’t get that
* Sorry if I was whiny but it’s just that I had to refute what you just wrote *
And no don’t attack my grammar please
I’m simply 17 going on 18 =)
#2 by Elizabeth at July 24th, 2010
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Sorry I meant whether humans offer sex the way God intended them to offer
The God of the Bible ( Yahweh ) and Judaism and Christianity is asexual ( holy in other words ) and not to be confounded in these musings
#3 by Escapist at July 28th, 2010
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What do you think of how The Thinking Housewife has characterized the Lady Gaga video “Bad Romance” as being in the evil porn category? Seems like a bit of an extreme view, particularly as the video is if anything, a critique of the nastier aspects of datingland.
One thing I’ve noticed about the Thinking Housewife is that women outside what she deems the proper role are invariably portrayed as bad/unhappy or both.
#4 by R. Stanton Scott at July 29th, 2010
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Elizabeth:
I did not say “Oh those Christians HATE sex and well are ’slaves’ to God or notions of God.”
I wrote “Wood is saying that male sexual desire leads to wanting something men should not have, and this in itself is a bad thing.” Laura Wood clearly says that male sexuality should be controlled and sublimated because it causes men to “want something they cannot and should not have.” She claims this causes harm, and therefore clearly finds male sexuality distasteful outside certain contexts.
Escapist:
I am not a Lady Gaga fan, and have not seen “Bad Romance.” And I have not read The Thinking Housewife enough to comment on her views about the video. But I will say that it does not surprise me to find that someone who thinks masturbation is bad finds open expression of female sexuality distasteful.