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Lifted From Comments

My response to Mike W. and his comments on the Heller and the Founders: Scalia thread became rather long, so I decided to post it on the front page.  His critique in any event ignores the central claim of that post: that the majority opinion in Heller [PDF]says very little about the intent of the “writers of the Constitution” since it ignores them completely in favor of other commentaries and later court cases.  So it makes sense to abandon that thread, at least for this purpose.

Somewhere in the universe people live on a planet where a single mention that in some sense a right to bear arms for militia service is held collectively means that I “subscribed to the collective rights interpretation.”  Unfortunately, Earth is not such a planet, and I make no claim that the Second Amendment protects a “collective” right, whether or not I agree that such a right implies a corresponding individual one.  Instead I claim that the Second Amendment protects from infringement the power of States to arm their militias, and therefore militia members cannot be disarmed by Federal law or neglect.  This protection was the intent of the Founders, not a right to civilian use of firearms for self defense–which they believed the State could regulate.

After responding to my first Heller post with spurious claims about intellectual power, Mike gets around to offering three somewhat substantive comments which use quotes from five court cases to support his view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right of some kind.  Though he never specifies the nature of this right, I presume he means an individual right to possess and carry firearms for civilian purposes such as self-defense and hunting.  Even though this discussion does not address the central claim of this post–that the majority opinion in Heller does not show that the “writers of the Constitution” intended to protect such a right–I will address Mike’s points. Read the rest of this entry »

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Heller and the Founders Part Two: Stevens

Prompted by this comment to my post about armed insurrection and gun “rights,” I argued last week that Scalia’s majority opinion in Heller does not show that the “writers of the Constitution” intended to protect an individual right to civilian use of firearms for self defense.  In this post I will argue that it is in fact Stevens’ dissent which relies on evidence of the Founders’ intent, and it shows that they included the Second Amendment to protect “the right of the people in the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia.” Read the rest of this entry »

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Heller and the Founders Part One: Scalia

In the first comment to this post, Bob S. cites the Heller decision in support of a claim that the Founders intended to protect an individual right to self-defense with the Second Amendment:

“Why are you still trying to peddle the hogwash that the Writers of the Constitution didn’t include the idea of self defense as part of the 2nd Amendment?

Did you read the decision in Heller? Did you see the laid out facts, quotes, and historical evidence that shows you are completely wrong??”

Bob goes on to quote a section of Scalia’s opinion citing Georgia and Louisiana Supreme Court decisions from 1846 and 1850 respectively.  He apparently believes that the majority opinion in the Heller case, written by Justice Antonin Scalia, depends on the intent of the “writers of the Constitution” for its analysis and legitimacy.  But the sources cited in Scalia’s opinion show no such thing.  Instead, they depend on interpretations of contemporary dictionaries, State Constitutions, and later interpretations of these documents, along with Scalia’s interpretation of the interpretations.  But let’s take a closer look at the Heller decision as a whole and see which side actually relied on evidence of the Founders’ intent.  In this post, I will look at Scalia’s opinion affirming the judgment of the Court of Appeals; after that I will turn to the dissenting ones. Read the rest of this entry »

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McDonald v. Chicago

At the Founding, the Second Amendment was a Federalism issue.  Madison and the other Federalists wanted to create a powerful central government after their experience with the Articles of Confederation.  But the new Constitution included troublesome language, some of which appeared to put the Federal Government in charge of the state militias by giving Congress the power to “organize and discipline” them, and to “govern” them when federalized.  State officials worried that Congress might use these powers to disarm their militias.  This particularly concerned Southern legislatures who relied on state militias for managing the slave population.

To secure the necessary votes for ratification in the State legislatures, the Founders protected the power of “the people” to “keep and bear arms.”  Ratifying officials almost certainly thought of this clause as protecting State power to arm a militia, since it was State legislatures, not voting citizens, they intended to placate.

If the original meaning of the Constitution is to protect this State power, then incorporating it against State governments makes no sense.  State governments by definition govern the Militia, and this would by definition include the power to disband them if necessary.

Given the introductory clause “A well-regulated militia,” the Second Amendment must be interpreted as either protecting the power of States to form militias (meaning a collective right) or the power of individuals to form ad hoc militias (meaning an individual right).  Many gun “rights” advocates support the latter view, and the Founders would certainly have intended to protect individual citizens against confiscation of firearms (though not necessarily their regulation) to protect their right to form militias.  In this event, the ruling gets it exactly right: States should have no more power to regulate gun ownership, and therefore private militia formation, than the Federal Government.  Given the current state of Constitutional jurisprudence, then, I think this was the correct conclusion under the law, though I think Thomas was on the most solid ground by using the Privileges and Immunity Clause instead of the 14th Amendment (for more on this see Scott Lemieux at LGM and Jonathan Turley at his blog).

This has interesting implications.  Note for example that if the Constitution protects the rights of citizen groups to form ad hoc militias for their own purposes, then the Klan arguably acted legally by forming armed groups to enforce Jim Crow laws and local customs.  Gun “rights” advocates, after all, argue for the “right” to intervene militarily against their elected government should they disagree with government policy.

In any event, McDonald has implications for an argument I made here at FBL back in January: that “a shift in normative paradigms about the social order (e.g, about the appropriateness of violence in society, or killing to protect property) could threaten the existence of a “right to keep and bear arms” as a shared understanding.”

Americans appear to be fairly evenly divided on the regulation of gun ownership, with little support for looser gun control laws.  Indeed, it seems like most Americans probably don’t think about gun rights or gun control laws very much, except when some event in the news brings it to their attention.  Note for example that the Columbine tragedy correlates with a very sharp increase in support for gun control laws, which returned to previous levels over time.

These polls require a grain of salt, since they are national polls, and some results suggest that views vary quite a bit from region to region, with support for regulating firearm ownership particularly high in big cities.  We can expect local populations and jurisdictions to have sharply divergent preferences with respect to the type and scale of gun regulation.  So I see two problems for gun “rights” advocates in this ruling.

First, it violates the Constitutional principle of Federalism and local control by further federalizing normative institutional structures with respect to the “rights” and privileges of citizenship.  Conservatives (especially Southerners) complain about this when the Court incorporates national standards for civil rights, religious expression, and the regulation of sex and marriage.  It is at least amusing to see a Conservative Court take a Warren Court approach to incorporation of a “right” conservatives consider crucial to liberty, and begs the question of whether this Court and other Conservatives would support incorporation of abortion rights against the states using similar arguments.  It also represents a paradigmatic shift to the right with respect to firearm regulation by forcing a libertarian view of gun “rights” on more liberal jurisdictions, and this can be expected to energize potential gun control advocates.

More importantly for my discussion of changing social norms and the protection of gun “rights,” this ruling should lead to nullification of the law challenged in the suit, as well as many others, as unconstitutional.  These laws exist because citizens demanded them, whether or not they work, and we can expect cities and states to work on formulating regulatory schemes which pass Constitutional muster.  Since the Court has said that limits on the right to keep and bear arms do exist, we can expect further regulation of firearms in many places even after incorporation.

This process will reopen a gun “rights” debate which Second Amendment proponents had largely won, and awaken previously quiet constituencies to this policy debate.  This is especially so if it leads to formation of ad hoc militia groups under looser gun control laws.  Where gun ownership becomes more pervasive and public, Americans who have little exposure to them and want them regulated could suddenly join a discussion they have previously ignored because it made little difference to them.  Figuring out how many Americans understand weapons, own them, and care about gun “rights” is problematic.  But it makes sense to think that gun advocates are more energized on the issue, and they should take care to avoid bringing gun control onto the policy agenda unnecessarily.

Eighty-two percent of Americans think gun control laws should stay the same or be made stricter.  This is a large constituency to arouse from slumber, and drastic changes, especially in large cities, could cause a backlash against gun ownership and gun “rights.”  For NRA members and gun “rights” advocates, this is already a salient voting issue–”I’m the NRA and I vote” is not a popular bumper sticker because of the cool logo.  Making gun control a salient issue for this 82% could backfire, and if looser gun control laws appear to cause in increase in crime, or simply expose Americans who don’t like guns and don’t want to be around them to people carrying weapons around all the time, it could become a salient issue for them, as well.

This is how laws–and norms–change.

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Reasoned Discourse

[UPDATE: This post was originally published in an incomplete version.  The final version is now up.]

Frequent commenter Mike W., who writes on gun issues at Another Gun Blog, posted this comment to my post quoting John Adams in support of educating the young and poor.  Since he has taken the time to engage, and complains that I have not responded to his arguments, I have decided to address the points he makes there. Read the rest of this entry »

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Force, Persuasion, and Civilization

In response to my expressed concern that placing “placing the safety and freedom of society in the hands of individuals harms us normatively by making collective action more difficult,” my new friend Bob referred me to “Why the Gun is Civilization” by Marko Kloos.  While somewhat interesting, I think Mr. Kloos greatly oversimplifies both the effect of introducing firearms into human interaction, and the nature of human interaction itself. Read the rest of this entry »

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One Percent Doctrine

Bob S., over at 3BoxesofBS, offers a good illustration of the “one percent doctrine” applied to the carrying by private citizens of personal firearms in public places.  In his book, Suskind argued that the Bush Administration treated threats with even a one percent likelihood as certainties.  Similarly, Bob argues here that his anecdote about a robber beating a woman and stealing her ring shows that he must carry everywhere he goes–because it happened in a nice neighborhood.

This destroys control advocates’ memes, he says, because it shows that one might need a firearm even if they avoid “bad” places.  No one is ever a hundred percent safe–anywhere–so people should arm themselves.

Technically, I suppose, Bob is right: no one is every one hundred percent completely safe, wherever they go and whatever they do (just ask these guys up in Lorton).  But the “gun control memes” “If you live in a good neighborhood, you aren’t likely to need a firearm” and “If you don’t go to bad places, you won’t likely need a firearm” are demonstrably true. Saying they’re not is a bit like saying that everyone must always be prepared to win the lottery–since someone won it just last week.

I’ve spent time in very dangerous places, where we had to keep pretty much constant vigilance when out and about.  I wonder about the mind set of someone who does this all the time, even in his own neighborhood.

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If Deterrence is a Goal…

…then why not make concealed carry permit applications public?

Delegate Lee Ware, a Republican from Virginia’s 65th District (Powhatan and Chesterfield Counties), has proposed legislation that would amend Paragraph 18.2-308 of the Virginia Code to require that clerks taking concealed carry permit applications withhold information about applicants from public disclosure.

One of the interesting things about gun owners and Second Amendment supporters is their apparent reluctance to let their fellow citizens know that they own weapons and carry them on their person in public.  Given that a key argument supporting widespread gun ownership and public carrying of concealed firearms relies on the assertion that this would have some measurable deterrent effect on criminals, it would seem that owners would want others to know that they at least might be carrying.

I haven’t heard Delegate Ware’s argument in support of the bill–it presumably provides some protection against government confiscation, for example–but I can think of at least one argument against it: that fellow citizens, especially neighbors, should have access to some knowledge about which people around them own and carry firearms.

I would like to know, for example, which of my neighbors own weapons, and which of my coworkers have a pistol in a shoulder holster.  Whether or not the gentleman next to me in the pew, working in my kid’s school, or the guy eating wings next to me at the sports bar is armed would be nice to know in the event something takes place that makes the carrier want to use it.  I especially want to know if wings guy is packing when he orders a beer.  This is true whether or not I am armed.

An example which hits close to home, the Virginia Tech shootings back in April 2007, illustrates this well: those who argue that armed students could have limited the tragedy of that day should understand fellow students’ desire to know who else besides the shooter might be armed.  The justice claim of people who wish to arm themselves as they interact with others in public places conflicts with the that of fellow citizens to know which of the people around them might be armed.

Which should precede is another matter.  I am sympathetic with the argument that owners need some protection from government confiscation (though I think that shared understandings about the right, not secrecy, provide protection from this).  But given the relatively low chance of a general federal effort to seize privately owned firearms, I wonder if the people around armed citizens should get more sympathy for their claim: that people who walk around with firearms should have to warn others that a weapon is near.

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More Second Amendment Blogging

Though fairly well-read in constitutional law, history, and political science, I am no expert on the gun rights v. gun control debate.  But since I do have a policy preference with respect to guns, and I intend to involve myself in discussions with people on both sides of this discussion as a way to promote my preferred policy, perhaps I should lay out my thinking on the subject. Read the rest of this entry »

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Blogging the Second Amendment

A few months ago, I stumbled upon a blog called Southern Female Lawyer, written by an East Tennessee attorney who claims to be very liberal, and promises to “judge you when you use poor grammar.”  My kind of woman.

Not long ago, SFL posted an entry [UPDATE: The original post no longer exists] about a man who carried a gun into a grocery store without the proper permits, and apparently without the proper training.  The weapon fell out of his pocket, discharged, and the round struck an employee in the hip.  Southern Female Lawyer thinks this is a bad thing, and told us so.  This, of course, sparked a somewhat heated discussion with a Second Amendment advocate in Texas who calls himself Bob S. and runs a pro-gun blog called 3 Boxes of BS. Hilarity ensued. Read the rest of this entry »

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