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Investigating Torture

Someone recently asked me for my thoughts on the Justice Department investigation into allegations that American soldiers, intelligence agents, and other agents of the state have tortured detainees since the terrorists flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.  This has him quite worried, mainly that such an investigation might chill efforts on the part of state agents to deter, prevent, or investigate future attacks.  Our troops and operatives, he frets,  would refuse to do the necessary hard work of forcing information from prisoners if they worried about later prosecution.

This is for me a feature, not a bug–agents of the United States Government have no business torturing information out of prisoners.  Moreover, the state should have very little authority to categorize human beings as threatening to society outside the court system.  Citizens should hold agents of the state accountable for violation of national and international law.  Agents acting in secret, especially, must know that their actions will be scrutinized and evaluated for effectiveness and conformity with law and policy.  This is really a very straightforward principle-agent problem between the citizen and the State.

But what if this scrutiny really does have a chilling effect on operatives in their attempts to gather useful intelligence on terrorist and other enemy activity?  I say, so what? Read the rest of this entry »

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Torture and Morality

A lot of conservatives have criticized Eric Holder for naming a prosecutor to investigate alleged torture by CIA operatives and other agents of the United States Government.  I find Christian support for torture especially interesting.

Richmond of course has a few radio stations broadcasting religious-themed programming.  One of these, an American Family Radio Network affiliate, airs an afternoon drive-time talk show called Nothing But Truth, hosted by a true whack-job named Crane Durham.  Mr. Durham also writes a blog called Maximum Crane, but posts perhaps even less often than I.

Mr. Crane is unabashadly Christian, as you can see if you click on his bio.  But on Monday he fervently supported the torture of human beings–he does not see a moral problem with beating a man to death with a flashlight, pretending to execute him, threatening to rape his wife and daughters, or the actual drowning of another of God’s creatures in order to get information from him.  He justifies these acts by expressing a fear of death.

I clearly see the moral and ethical problems with the intentional infliction of physical, mental, and emotional pain on others for our own purposes, however important.  Yet I am an atheist, who does not consider human beings made in God’s image.  Nevertheless, I see the inherent dignity and value in all human life, unlike the Christian torture apologist.

So much for objective moral truth.

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Moral Courage

I posted a comment to this post at Tom Redhunter’s site a little while ago.  It won’t appear there, because Mr. Redhunter hasn’t the stomach for an open discussion on his blog.  So I will post it here:

Torture is immoral, ineffective, and depraved.  Our government has an obligation to prosecute anyone, including American soldiers and intelligence officials, who lacked the moral courage to refuse orders to torture detainees.

This goes double, of course, for those military and civilian leaders who developed an active torture program, or who simply tortured prisoners for sadistic pleasure.

Mr. Redhunter’s post is really just applause for this post by Steve Schippert at National Review Onlline.  Schippert should know better, since he served in the Marines, but Redhunter is just another loudmouth who calls himself a Cold Warrior for reading and reviewing foreign policy books by right wing hacks but couldn’t be bothered to put on the uniform himself to fight the Red Menace.  The fact is that not all soldiers are angels acting out of patriotic duty and a pure heart.  I know–I was there.

We should all praise and show pride in our military forces and people–no one cares more about our soldiers than former NCOs like me–but we have to remember that not all serve honorably and well.  Soldiers and intelligence officials who tortured prisoners served dishonorably by definition.  This behavior violates several provisioins of the Uniform Code of Miltary Justice (UCMJ), including those against cruelty and maltreatment, maiming, assault, and conduct unbecoming.  Like troops who violate other provisions of the UCMJ, those in the military who intentionally brutalized prisoners in their care should be punished.

Support our troops, yes.  But not when they lose their moral compass, engage in depraved, immoral behavior, and break the law.

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Professional Moral Depravity

This is exactly right:

If you want to know how democracies die, read these memos. Read how gifted professionals in the CIA were able to convince experienced doctors that what they were doing was ethical and legal. Read how American psychologists were able to find justifications for the imposition of psychological torture, and were able to analyze its effects without ever stopping and asking: what on earth are we doing?

On Thursday, the Department of Justice released four secret torture memos generated by Bush Administration legal officials in answer to questions about the legality of using interrogation techniques designed to stress, humiliate, terrorize, and inflict pain on detainees who CIA and other officials said may have information about terrorist attacks or plans. It appears that American professionals trained in the law were no less susceptible to moral depravity than those trained in medicine.

Like Mr. Sullivan, I think it is important to be clear just what happened here: American officers, professionals in our military and intelligence services, held as prisoners without due process or legal protection human beings (who, we claim, possess inalienable rights endowed by our creator) on the simple unproven belief by fellow officers that these people had information.  To force this information from them, these officers kept them in solitary confinement, refused them food and water, and inflicted sadistic treatment on them.  This treatment included striking them, water boarding them, placing them in small spaces to cause muscle pain, and sleep deprivation, among other things.  None of these professionals stopped to wonder at the moral or ethical implications of treating other human beings in this fashion–at least not enough to stop doing so.  They were instead concerned only with covering their legal asses.

Any human being that can bring him or herself to this level of sadism has no claim to morality of any kind.  That many if not all of the people who found themselves capable of doing so call themselves Christians says all you need to know about the current state of the worship of God and his role in the lives of Christians in America.  From here out we can cut the “no morality without religion bullshit.”

Jay Bybee (now a federal judge) and Steven Bradbury, the authors of these memos, show a shocking level of professionalized moral depravity.  That these legal experts found a way to normalize and professionalize such sick, twisted, sadistic treatment of one human being by another makes clear that American leadership, at least under George Bush and Dick Cheney, wallowed as deeply in the mud of fear and loathing of others as the most provincial of uneducated fools in the darkest backwater of American society.

We haven’t come so far as I had thought.  Our ancestors were capable of murdering indigenous Americans just because the occupied land wanted by the colonists (John Wayne says it clearly: “I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”).  The American elite class held as slaves human beings, and even managed to enshrine the institution in our founding documents.  Today we continue in a long American tradition of destroying our own souls out of greed and fear.

As they say, read the whole thing.

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